Hindi as spoken today in India borrowed heavily from Persian and Arabic. But generally speaking, Persian and French do not sound the same. They are related since they belong to the same language family and Persian had French loanwords. In other words, French had influence on Persian and French words entered the language gradually because of that. Persian has a lot more contrastive places of articulation for vowels than Arabic Arabic has only three short monophthong vowel phonemes.
Persian is one of the most important members of the Indo-Iranian branch of the Indo-European family of languages. D Baxtiyars were even counted under Kurdish groups by Sherefhan al Bitlisi who moved to Iran and studied there and just years ago it was the same. He even wrote that they were settled in todays Loristan from Western Kurdistan Syria. Another evidence for this is that Loris are high in R1b which is high in Western Kurds too. They dance the Kurdish circle dance etc.
Lori in my view is like the link between Persian and Kurdish just that it linguistically leans slightly more towards Persian and now is considered as Southwest Iranic. Also the name "Lori" is pretty much a Kurdish name :D its a female name "Lorik" too. I love this song here. Fayli could have easily been influenced by Farsi due to its geographical proximity. It doesn't make it the same as Laki.
For example, I can understand Laki but I don't understand Fayli. Lori on the other hand, doesn't have anything to do with Kurdish at all. It's a Southwestern Iranian language mutually intelligible with Persian. According to who? It is an Iranic language and so those are also shared with Sorani. A sorani speaker can understand Laki much better than a Farsi speaker. Laki is in the Northwestern group and is classified as Southern Kurdish, which is the same as Kurmanji and Sorani.
Says the linguists who know what they're talking about. Classification Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, Iranian, Western, Northwestern, Kurdish It is a play of words because all Iranic languages are related, probably somewhere close to that very same percentage. There is nothing special about this. Actually Fayli and Laki are pretty much the same. And as I said just a hundred years ago Lori was classified under Northwest Iranic and Kurdish and it changed some decades ago.
And you forget the cultural and other evidences for this. Lori today leans more towards Persian and is Southwest Iranic. I know It's classified as Northwestern Iranian, but realistically it is closer to Southwestern ones. Similar to the Caspian languages, which although are classified as Northwestern Iranian, share more lexical similarity with Farsi. Lexical similarity is very important. And Laki and Fayli are not the same lol. Fayli is Kurdish that is influenced by Southwestern Iranian Farsi.
Laki is Farsi that was influenced by Northwestern Iranian Kurdish. There is no "realistically" it's either Northwestern or it's not.
Simple as that. Realistically, I a Sorani speaker can understand Laki much better than a Farsi speaker, that coupled with the fact that it is a Northwestern language should be enough to settle this. Anyway I'm off to work. Demhat take over bra. What are you on about?
Laki is also spoken in Kirmanshan which is the heart of Kurdistan. What Kurdification are you talking about? So is half of Soranis vocabulary Persian? What you are doing here is classifying shared "universal" Iranic words between Kurdish and Persian as "Persian" and so calculating the "Persian influence" on Laki.
Noha in modern Persian. For comparison: How do you say in Farsi, Armenian, Kurdishi etc. English: To Be Serbian: Biti I am Ya sam You are Ti si She is, He is Ona ye, On ye We are Mi smo You are Vi ste They are Oni su. I lived in UK where there are lots of Indians and Pakistanis live and never a British ever said if I was speaking indian or urdu! They always thought Persian sounds likr Hebrew or French or some easter european language.
The Fact that you see Turks or Arabs insist so much that Persian sounds like a south asian language is because they most people in the middle east dont want to be associated with that part of the world and since people in Turkey or Arabs feel inferior to Persian race, they make those comments.
You know a lot of people in Turkey speak Kurdish which is an Iranian language and is very close to Persian but you dont hear from the turks to admit to that. In this respect Iranians have made the art of calligraphy and refined penmanship their own. The Persian spoken in Afghanistan is known as Dari. The Persian language of Tajikistan is called Tajiki. During the Soviet era Tajiki had minimal contact with other Persian speaking countries; it contains a large number of Russian words and is written in the Cyrillic Russian script.
Persian is the second language of Islam and was instrumental in the spread of the faith during the reign of the Moguls in the Indian subcontinent, where it was cultivated and held in high esteem until the end of the Mogul rule in Persian poetry is still a significant part of the literature of the subcontinent. As you see even our great leader uses Parsi not Farsi the arabicized version of Parsi! Persian sounds softer than Semitic languages, harsher than European ones, with lots of "sh" and "kh"s.
But a soft harmony. Main Page Ebooks Old Articles. New Posts. Share Topic Printable Version. Windows Live. Yahoo Bookmarks. Post Reply. Members Profile. In my opinion it is closest to Anatolian Turkish. The perceptive man is he who knows about himself, for in self-knowledge and insight lays knowledge of the holiest.
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